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PostSubject: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 0:56

What Dr John failed to mention on Sunrise this morning, and what Mel and Koch forgot to ask also is why the ingredient believed to have caused autism the antiseptic/preservative agent Thiomersal (Mercury) was removed from our children's regular childhood vaccine schedule in 2002 throughout the western world, because the WHO and doctors around the world acknowledged the potential risks, so opted for the when in doubt , leave it out approach.


However, this agent is still in a variety of other vaccines offered to children, such as flu-vax, and the rubella vaccine, Hep-B, and quite allot of other pharmaceutical products, even allergy tests.

Truth is, they know fine well Thiomersal has the potential to cause autism and neurological disorder's in susceptible children which is why they removed the Thiomersal (mercury) from the triple antigen vaccine (on the sly) back in 2002 here in Australia.



I asked my children's paediatrician what his thoughts were on vaccines causing autism, and he immediately went into a drug-company spool about how dangerous my thinking was, how vaccines save thousands of lives. I then asked him why the suspect ingredient has now since been removed following a closed-to-the-media medical summit whereby more doctors than not agreed that they themselves had reservations about the substance Thiomersal being used in children's vaccines, and why it was that after this summit the agent itself was removed from children's vaccines, and he appeared vague, uncomfortable , this and advised that he had no idea the agent had indeed been removed from the triple antigen vaccine.

YEAH RIGHT!!!

In other words, either he was lying, or he genuinely had no idea himself that Thiomersal had been removed from the regular childhood vaccine schedule as of 2002 here in Australia.

Why some kids are affected and not others?

Well, likewise when you have 2 kids/and or 2 adults of the same weight age etc sniffing the same amount of petrol, this and how their lead levels will vary from one child/adult systemically to the next... some kids/people eliminate heavy metals more efficiently than others, others will require chelation therapy to remove the heavy metals in their blood.

What our government should do if it weren't for the fact they prefer to line the wallets of drug companies, this and don't want the compensation responsibility, is offer chelation therapy to kids presenting with higher than normal heavy metal blood levels.

More research and government -corporate responsibility is required here.

Children's parents in the US have successfully sued the American government this and have been slapped with court suppression orders to not discuss the success of their cases, where vaccine induced autism is concerned.

In other words, OK, you caught us out, and heres some compensation, but shut about it, because we cant afford/or don't wish to compensate everyone.

How did these parents succeed in winning their cases in the US?

Well they were switched on parents who cleverly had their children's blood levels checked after each vaccine, this and were able to clinically prove the increasing levels of mercury in their children's blood streams with each vaccine over a period of time, this and had relatives in the know, to advise them to do this, just in case, their child became a statistic.

So rather than acknowledge this fuck-up, they removed the Thiomersal from regular childhood vaccines, though now have secreted into (Thiomersal /mercury) into other vaccines parents rush to have their kids immunised with so as to cover up a would be dramatic decline in autism stats post 2002 when they removed it from the regular vaccine schedule (MMR), and had they not wangled the agent Thiomersal back into other more voluntary childhood vaccines....ie flu-vax, and assorted other vaccines like HPV, rubella, chickenpox...we would have seen a dramatic decline in autism stats. Independent studies have already confirmed this in Canada and several other developed nations. Mercury is a neurologically binding agent,(is a neurotoxin) ) so has the potential to stay with the recipient throughout the course of their life, post childhood, so should one conceive a child who was say exposed to this harmful agent in vitro, then it's very likely, their off springs mercury levels will be higher than those who's parents were not toxic with mercury at the time of conception.....(just one other thing we need to look at, particularly with this coming generations offspring) also, wheres the proof of this toxicity having come from pre-natal exposure when Thiomersal has now been removed from regular childhood vaccine schedule so as to cover their asses? This and has since been secreted into other products, our GP's aren't aware of themselves?

Or if they are, aren't saying so given they receive kick-backs off the drug companies when they prescribe their drugs.

If my children's paediatrician (a professor) claimed he was unaware that this agent (mercury) had been removed from the triple antigen vaccine schedule as of 2002, then what hope does a regular GP have?


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 1:21

So Dr John, why was Thiomersal (mercury) removed from our regular childhood immunisation schedule back in 2002, following a medical summit whereby doctors around the world agreed, the risks were too great to continue using Thiomersal in regular childhood vaccines?


It's not the vaccine itself thats the problem, it's the mercury (Thiomersal ) in it that potentially is in susceptible individuals with either impaired or underdeveloped (eg, premature/diseased/impared) eliminatory systems...

Likewise with amalgam fillings, (mercury)....and increased autism statistics in children living near industrial areas like Port Pirie in SA... and how their heavy metal blood levels compare to the national average, this and how this corresponds with higher than usual autism , learning and behavioral figures.

Also, why after the agent was removed from our kids vaccines, we gave our surplus stock (vaccines which were not allowed to be used in western countries because they contained Thiomersal, aka mercury, we then donated these vaccines to third-world countries?

How thoughtful.

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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 1:42

Increasing industry and heavy metal environmental contaminants coincide with higher autism statistics in heavily industrialised countries, ie China.

However China don't wish to divulge their autism statistics.


Though it's believed their figures are comparatively astronomical compared to less industrialised nations autism statistics.

So...this combined with these heavy metals being used to preserve vaccines tells us that mercury = bad!!

The World Health Organisations (and our own governments) recommended safe- ingestion guidelines concerning the consumption of mercury infested fish species was superseded by no other than the very vaccines they were and still are immunising their masses with.

Go figure.

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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 1:45

Do the public have a right to know whats in their vaccines, food-stuffs, in the way of potentially harmful heavy metal contaminants or not?
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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:04

Get the message, this debate is far from over, and more and more people are waking up to the harmful preservatives drug companies use in their vaccines, drugs, (even topical ointments and eye drops) so as to maximise product shelf life and increase their bottom line.


We should be demanding Thiomersal (mercury) be removed from all pharmaceutical products, especially considering our environmental levels are increasing due to industry, and it's not even necessary, just means the drug company's themselves make more money given they last longer on the shelf when laced with mercury.

Food and drug safety is paramount, and it's up to our regulatory government bodies to see to it that ethics and standards in the best interests of those who pay them to take care of them are being maintained. It's also up to ourselves, to make sure these questions are being asked and investigated democratically,..our media should not remain silent on issues like this, the way they have in the past.

Our government works for it's people, not the other way round.

They need to demonstrate how they are governing/running our nation in accordance with whats in the publics best interests. ...not theirs.


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:15

I am pro immunisation, (where required) though think where the avoidable lacing of drugs with heavy metal preservatives is concerned , we should be more socially responsible.

Bottom line, the drug companies advantage financially using a heavy metal Thimersal (mercury) in their products, as it increases shelf life.

Thimersal, (mercury) needs to be pharmaceutically banned (blacklisted) removed from all products, as we have enough industry related heavy metal pollutants in our environment as it is, this and it's just not necessary to afflict the masses with anymore.

The only advantages are financial for the drug companies themselves.


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:17

Thats my rant for the morning!


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:24

Also, be aware Thiomersal (Mercury) trades under numerous names, so you really need to check.
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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:51

I am please Sunrise scratched the surface this morning, though as defined in the opening post, had they put their investigative journalism hats on, and asked the right questions, it would have made more of an impact I think.

It appears Kochie was more interested in his relative being ripped off by a mobile phone company.

He didn't mind going into to great detail about this.

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The take home -SUNRISE- message was as follows ..

OK, theres some doubt concerning the safe use of vaccines, however, ignore this, as it's more dangerous not to have your kids vaccinated, according to Dr Johns celebrity doctor pharmaceutical spool.

Another free all expenses paid holiday (*cough* drug company educational seminar) for Dr Johns this year I suspect?

Start with defining the key ingredient "mercury" of which is the harmful agent in question.

That would be a good start.

Smile At least channel 10 went so far as to name the agent, and did so several months ago when they had a doctor on their morning show advise how they were having some amazing success with chelation therapy trials, of which aren't subject to public inquiry,(are closed studies) this or are being approved /made available to the general public at present.

In one Victorian study, the government cut the researchers funding to half and told them to shut up because the results and outcome of the chelation treatment were too condemning, demonstrated how chelation did in most cases improve autistic symptoms...meaning, they demonstrated that yes, heavy metals were indeed a causative, or at least a contributory agent given these kids autistic symptoms improved when removing (chelating) their blood streams of the harmful heavy metals in question.

The earlier the better, these kids need to be chelated ideally before they go to school.


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 2:59

It's probably too late for my daughter, but it's not for other peoples kids.

It's how I look at it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 3:28

Celebrity doctors and journalists really annoy me sometimes, they forget what drove them to the profession to begin with, have a moral duty and the capacity to bring about positive change, though often don't because it's not 'correct' to do so, this or stands to disadvantage them in some way, *darn*..when asking just a couple more probing questions may have meant the difference between driving this or last years BMW.


Either they are ignorant, (this can be forgiven) or they avoided the harder questions because they knew it stood to displease their networks ratings, sponsors.



Who researches the medically related topics on Sunrise, certainly not Dr Johns thats for sure. ,,,or does he?

Corporate sponsorship corruption in scientific fields which should be honest.

We have drug companies sponsoring medical research, academic institutions, entire professions....., TV networks too of course Wink


http://www.minnpost.com/healthblog/2010/05/05/17922/ex-editor_of_nejm_tells_how_big_pharma_has_corrupted_academic_institutions
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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 3:36

Ok, I'm done now!!


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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 4:29

Agreed they should be placing emphasis on the harmful substance in question not cowering behind the beneficial concept of immunization itself in order to lend credibility to their argument this and take the emphasis off the underlying harmful substances they use to preserve their drugs with.
Immunization is good, though laced with mercury, the worlds second most toxic substance on earth I'm yet to form an opinion.
Thanks for giving me something to think about. Will get back to you on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Sunrise Immunisation debate re-autism, and Dr Johns arrogance   Tue 25 May 2010 - 11:36

Yes, this is exactly what they are doing, hiding behind the beneficial attributes of childhood vaccines, to white-wash and distract people from the harmful agent (mercury) they once laced MMR childhood vaccines with, (until 2002 when they figured out they could end up liable if they continued using it after the WHO stepped in) this and continue to lace many other pharmaceutical products with Thiomersal (Mercury) such as Tetanus toxoid, snake /spider antivenin, Rubella (for older children) HPV, Hep B, chicken pox, flu-vax....even some eye drops containing anti-fungal and antibacterial agents have it in them, nasal sinus sprays also . The thing is, these agents aren't essential, there are other preservatives they can use, only they wont keep for the same duration of time on the shelf.
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